This week Ana sits down with Carmen Saenz, Senior DevOps Enginner at Apex Clearing and PhD student at DePaul University in Chicago, sits down this week to talk about her history in engineering. She brings to the table some anecdotes about her own time engineering chaos. Carmen goes into detail about the early days of chaos engineering and her work there, going from on-prem to the cloud, how she is always learning, her passion for teaching and more.

Welcome back to another edition of “Build Things on Purpose.” This time Jason is joined by Zack Butcher, a founding engineer at Tetrate. They also break down Istio’s ins and outs and the lessons learned there, the role of open source projects and their reception, and more. Tune in to this episode and others for all things chaos engineering!